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01/24/2013

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These obviously are the end times. We just have no idea how long they still have to run.

If I had any doubts about these being the end times, they were pretty much put to rest when I viewed that Happy 40th Anniversary, Baby video put out by the Center for Reproductive Rights celebrating the 40th anniversary of Roe v. Wade a few days ago.

If you're up for viewing what one of the commenters at First Things says "seems to exude evil," here's the link to the article there discussing it.

I resolutely refuse to form an opinion on whether the actual end of the end times (can't argue with Paul's observation) is nigh. However, I do often find myself thinking "Surely God is not going to let this go on indefinitely." I don't know if I want to watch that video.

It is a stomach-turner.

I am definitely not going to watch it. I don't think it would serve any purpose than to plant images in my head that I wouldn't be able to get rid of. I was reading something in St. Ignatius this morning about how curiosity like this gets us into trouble.

AMDG

Anyway, I meant to say that I will say something about this post when I am conscious again.

AMDG

It looks pretty endish to me, but then I recall that Thomas Aquinas wrote shortly before his death in 1274 that schism in the Church is a sign of the anti-Christ.

I suppose if one goes with Paul and says, it is the end we just don't know how long it will be, it could have started in c. 1274 and reach its culmination in 4721.

The one thing that makes me think we might not just be like everyone else for the past 2000 years, lamenting the decline of the times, is our technology, and the potential damage we can do with it. I'm pretty sure I had a Sunday night journal on this topic some time ago. How far will God let us take technologies like genetic engineering? Of course, it wouldn't take the end of the world, just a calamity reducing us to a pre-industrial way of life.

Yes, I know it's facile to say there have always been declinists

I didn't really mean to be saying that, although it certainly can be. It's equally facile to say "but this time it's different" and work oneself into a state. Aside from the question of the *real* end times, there are real declines, so both attitudes are right sometimes and wrong sometimes.

I think there are sound scriptural reasons to think that the end times started with Nero's persecution (well before 1274), and that there won't be any new revelation or divine intervention in the course of history until Christ comes again.

There are always people who want to take some particular schism, massacre, war or disaster as a sign that the Second Coming is imminent. I think there are also sound scriptural grounds not to do that.

I write this under correction.

One of the consequences is that types of Anti-Christ will have abounded at any time since Nero, and perhaps even since Herod. The fact that one (or several) can be identified currently does not mean that there won't be time for many more to arise.

When I think about these things, the words "O Christ, Christ, come quickly" spring to mind.

Paul, I agree. Or I would say: the whole of human history since the Resurrection is the 'end times.' When Thomas said that schism in the Church is a mark of the anti-Christ, he didn't necessarily mean the end was round the corner. He just meant it was a 'type' of the a-C.

"O Christ, Christ, come quickly"

Yes, that's really all one can say about it that isn't completely speculative. And remember that it's always the end time for oneself.

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