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Finally got around to watching this. It is great stuff, although because I agree about the pervasive bad language and its cumulative effect I'd recommend it only to certain folks and then with qualifiers. I like 'Breaking Bad' better, but admit that they are very different types of shows so it's hard to do a straight up comparison really. I'm up to episode 9 of the first season.

Hello Rob, I can't wait for Season Three of Breaking Bad.

I haven't seen Breaking Bad yet. Craig doesn't think it's as good as The Wire and I confess I don't expect it to be, either, just because The Wire is so extremely good.

Sad to say, there have been several murders in this area recently that could have come right out of the script for The Wire.

I saw Craig's comment on his blog, and I was surprised. Breaking Bad is a different genre (black comedy), but in its own way I think it is as good as the Wire.

I agree, Francesca. 'The Wire' is an outstanding, realistic cop drama. 'Breaking Bad' is an outstanding, not-quite-realistic dark comedy. Comparing the two is like comparing 'Goodfellas' and 'Fargo' -- equally good films, I'd say. But I like 'Fargo' better.

Just read Craig's write-up on Breaking Bad. I think he makes the very mistake of which I spoke -- comparing the shows rather too directly.

'Fargo' is better.

So is 'The Wire'.

And so to bed.

I haven't seen Goodfellas, at least not past the first 15 minutes. I don't have much attraction for that sort of Mafia-chic thing. So I can't judge between them, but I did like Fargo.

Fargo is an interesting comparison. BB tends toward fantasy in the way a certain kind of comedy does, without being completely 'off the wall'.

Did anyone see Robert Barron on True Grit. It has all the strengths of his method, though also the weaknesses. One of his best. in my op

http://www.wordonfire.org/WOF-TV/Commentaries-New/Fr-Barron-comments-on-True-Grit-(SPOILERS).aspx

The capitalized "SPOILERS" in that link is stopping me from reading it, since I plan to see the movie (eventually).

Fr. Barron is saying exactly what I've been saying about True Grit. There were a couple of other telling things that I noticed that he did not mention, and I didn't not catch the last reference in the song that he mentioned, but otherwise the same, and the things we each left out all support the main idea.

I was glad to hear what he had to say because sometimes I wonder if I see things that aren't there.

AMDG

"BB tends toward fantasy in the way a certain kind of comedy does"

Yes, in a way it's almost, but not quite, magic realist. The creator, Vince Gilligan, did a lot of work on 'The X Files,' and I'm sure that that's where some of that comes from. One movie that has a similar feel but without the comic element is Paul Haggis's 'Crash.'

Didn't know that Vince Gilligan was involved. I recognize his name from X-Files credits. If I remember correctly he was the producer for quite a few episodes. I definitely need to give BB a chance.

Yeah, it's funny, but when I watched the first episode and saw his name, it rang a bell, but I couldn't remember where I remembered it from.

I've never seen the X-files. Normally, I would not like anything called 'magical realist', whether it's a film or a book or a moving train. I thought A Hundred Years of Solitude was very boring.

I am glad you liked it Janet. My Presbyterian friend who was bothered by the Gospel accompaniment to a story of vengeance was really taken with Fr Barron. I should confess at this point that I hardly noticed the musical background, and certainly not the words. I can't pretend I was tired by the flight or jet lagged, because by the time we saw the movie I'd been here five days or so.

I'm not a fan of true magic realism either. But I don't mind stuff that veers close. Perhaps 'borderline fantasy' would be an appropriate term, but even that isn't really accurate.

I've started 100 Years of Solitude twice and found it not especially appealing. Not sure I'll get around to it again before I die.

"Hello Rob, I can't wait for Season Three of Breaking Bad"

Me neither! My guess is it'll be out in Feb or March; that's when Season 2 came out last year if memory serves.

The only books I've read that I've liked that might be considered magic realism are a few of Tim Powers's and James Blaylock's novels, and Bradbury's
'Dandelion Wine,' which I read this past fall and absolutely loved.

I've never read Dandelion Wine but have often seen it recommended. I'm going to have to read some Tim Powers sometime.

Here's Bill Kauffman's appreciation of Bradbury and 'Dandelion Wine.'
http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/06/ray-bradbury-of-illinois/

Re: Powers, most of his books are either modern or historical fantasy, usually with a dark tinge, but he has written a couple things that are less explicitly fantastic.

Yes, that Kaufmann piece was one of the ones I was thinking of. Really made me want to read it.

I think I saw Tim Powers' name in the credits for some movie recently...maybe Dawn Treader?

No, it's the for the upcoming Pirates of the Caribbean flick. They've based it (loosely) on his novel 'On Stranger Tides.' The book is pretty good. I don't have my hopes up for the movie, however.

Oh yeah, that's it--saw the preview when I went to see Dawn Treader.

Does it mark you as being old if you call it a "preview" rather than a "trailer"?

No, I am old and I say trailer.

I am the only person in the world who didn't like Pirates of the C. I saw the 2nd one and detested it.

No, you're not the only one (who didn't like PotC). There are at least two of us. I guess it was the first one that I saw. I wouldn't say I detested it but I found it tiresome.

I saw the first one and found it mildly entertaining, but not enough so as to watch any of the subsequent ones. I had the same feeling about Spider Man.

That was pretty much my view of Spiderman, too, except that I thought the power/responsibility question, and Peter's need to deny his love for Mary Jane in order to protect her, gave it a bit of unexpected death. I saw the second one and didn't think it was more than ok.

"a bit of unexpected death" LOL

That's funny, but it's also a little disconcerting, because I suspect it's one of those things that's not exactly a typo, in the sense of just a slip of the finger, but a case of my brain thinking one thing and my hands typing something else. This happens to me fairly often. It pays to proofread.

That's what made it so funny.

AMDG

I'm going to say something to Francesca about True Grit and while there are small spoilers, they happen at the beginning of the movie.

There are couple of things that point towards Fr. Barron's take on TG, but which he didn't mention. When Mattie asks the Sheriff about bounty hunters, he mentions three and I think the choice between two of them is significant. One is a man who always brings in his man alive because he believes that even the worst man deserves justice (I may have that reason wrong, but I think I'm right.) Then there is Rooster who is mean as anything and would just as soon kill the man he's looking for. Of course, she chooses Rooster, which seems to me like a choice between vengeance and justice. Fr. Barron uses these two words interchangeably, but they aren't the same and I think you see a distinction here and in the rest of the movie.

Then, as Mattie is leaving to go search for Chaney she takes--steals, I suppose--apples from a bowl on a chest in the boarding house. These are big, red, tempting apples and this is the third shot we've seen of them. I can't think that this is thrown in for no reason.

AMDG

My oldest son and I enjoyed the first "PotC" very much when it was on television (he bought the dvd and must have watched it half a dozen times), but when I took him to see the second one in the cinema we were both very disappointed. His immediate reaction was "Why have they turned it into a soap?"

My negative reaction to Pirates is of a piece with my negative reaction to a lot of adventure/action type movies: the action sequences tend to be so over the top that I lose all sense of tension or suspense about them. I have to be able to think "wow, it's amazing that someone could do that," and it has to be somewhat grounded in reality for me to do that.

I really do need to see True Grit. Maybe next weekend...

More Spoilers: Janet, that is interesting. My friend specifically said, 'I don't get why there was a gospel soundtrack to a movie about vengeance.' I didn't quarrel with her, though I'd just seen it as being about how much it costs to pursue justice to the end (a lost arm and all the people you love dead). It is right that justice and vengeance are not precisely the same.

Another pointer to Father Barron's take is simply coherence with other Coen Bro movies. Wouldn't be the first time they made an ironic or semi-ironic contract between soundtrack and events. I'm thinking of A Serious Man, where the whirlwind is accompanied by the Jefferson Airplane singing 'Don't you want somebody to love'.

I didn't notice the apples. Maybe I really was tired!

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